Uniformitarians fare so poorly in debates against young earth creationists that they have passed the word amongst themselves to not debate the biblical realists, saying that doing so would be beneath them, trying to hide the fact they have only illogic regarding the geologic column and the Ice Age which followed, only fancy regarding the role of natural selection, and only silence about the submerged ruins discovered in many parts of the world which help prove that the Ice Age ended circa 1500 b. c.